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<h2odragon> Ah, OK; so I argue with you; you use demagougery one me. :)
<h2odragon> simple.
<ultrasoul> oh yeah? :)
<h2odragon> hell, I'd argue about "faults and weaknesses"
<ultrasoul> we can argue all day, it is the pursuit of what is good.
<h2odragon> the peasant's prejudices have their benefits
<ultrasoul> but does it not defeat the good to play on those prejudices to influence them, rather then show them how to remove those prejudices?
<h2odragon> hmmm. have you heard of the "concensus process", by any chance? as a technique for persiasion
<ultrasoul> I can come up with a quick definition, but I'd prefer it if you define it.
<h2odragon> depends on the ultimate goal
<ultrasoul> based on the given definition of argument, is the goal not the pursuit of the good?
<h2odragon> WW2 kids didn't go overseas because it was good, they went to kill Krauts
<h2odragon> many of 'em
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<ultrasoul> The argument was whether to send them, and for what purpose. The argument decided that was 'the good', and so the good was acted out.
<ultrasoul> The grunts were not the argument, the were the result of the argument.
<h2odragon> OK, no disagreemnet there
<h2odragon> but they didn't get sent, they went
<h2odragon> as a result of demagougery
<ultrasoul> Ah, you sound as if you speak for all of them.
<h2odragon> and they needed to go as a result of more demagougery
<ultrasoul> Wasn't there a draft?
<h2odragon> yeah, but it wasn't hard to avoid
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<h2odragon> early on at least
<ultrasoul> Are you implying that demagoguery is just something we, as citizens, have to accept?
<ultrasoul> Or that it is good or bad?
<h2odragon> we have an option? besides not listening
<ultrasoul> err Or arguing that it is good or bad
<ultrasoul> certainly we have an option.
<h2odragon> I guess I'm saying it has its place in the toolbox of communications
<ultrasoul> How?
<h2odragon> like; "I don't have time to educate you to the point where I could convince you with reason, so just hate these folks"
<ultrasoul> When is it better to have demogoguery then goodness or truth?
<ultrasoul> is that good?>
<h2odragon> can be "better"
<h2odragon> sunno I can say "good"
<vsync> cool
<ultrasoul> Is it better to have those grunts fight and die without knowing why, then to have real soldiers fight for a cause they know to be right?
<vsync> i wrote some elisp
<ultrasoul> cool vsync
<ultrasoul> err, actually !cool
<vsync> now i can cut and paste cool snippets from my epic window into an html page
<vsync> run this, and suddenly everything is beautiful html
<h2odragon> ultrasoul: if they knew why, they wouldn't fight and die